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Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 2 2011, 1:54 PM EDT
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Some months ago CBS announed that NCIS' new showrunner is Gary Glasberg and we all have read both TV Guide articles: ''NCIS' Dynamic Duo'' and the small one with some S9 spoilers, where GG talked about the past and the future of the show and where we found out that even MW had enough of buffon-idiot Tony and the bad way they were writting his character.It seems that GG has a new/old idea about NCIS. I've got the feeling that the show will get back to DPB's show when Tony&Gibbs were the heart of the show, the crime was the centre of episodes and we had to find informations about characters' lives here and there. No relationship was forced and Tiva didn't exist. What do you think is going to change on the show under GG's direction? And mostly what will happen to Tony & Gibbs characters and relationship? http://michaelweatherly.wetpaint.com/page/When+Tony+Met+Jethro+TV+Guide+May+2011 http://michaelweatherly.wetpaint.com/page/NCIS+TV+Mag+Art.+23%2F05%2F2011 Do you find this valuable?
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1. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 2 2011, 2:27 PM EDT
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"Ten Things I Think/Hope We Will See"What I *hope* and think we will see, based on the article and recent comments: 1. A return to a team dynamic similar to that as written by DPB. 2. A stronger partnership between Tony and Gibbs. This is how it was in the first seasons and what drew a lot of people to the show, so I think (hope) we're heading back in that direction. 3. Stronger partnerships between the rest of the team. There's no reason why any member has to be written as stupid, no reason why they can't work as a team. The entry of the new SecNav is supposed to make them work together as a team as they never have before, so hopefully, some of recent nonsense (like Ziva not following orders in the field and Ziva and McGee both questioning Tony's direction in the field) will end. This is not realistic; his is behavior that gets teammates killed. Realistically, McGee and Ziva should be observing Tony in the field and sharpening their skills as Tony still observes how Gibbs works. 4. More examples of Tony's skills. 5. More allusions to Tony's cop days and his relationships with other cops in Baltimore. Tony always liaises with BPD,still trades info. and calls in favors with fellow BPD cops, We saw in "Baltimore" that he's respected there, so I'm hoping we get more "bread crumbs" about his time there. 6. A strenghtening of the partnerships--all of them, but most notably the one bewteen Tony/Gibbs. I can see Tony and Gibbs future relationship becoming more like that of Gibbs/Ducky--respect and frienship born of years of being colleagues. 7. And speaking of Ducky, I must also speak of Jimmy. Ducky has been giving Palmer more responsibility, so I think that Jimmy will continue to grow under Ducky's guidance and also that the Palmer/Tony relationship will develop and Palmer becomes Tony's "Ducky"--a sounding board and friend. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 2 2011, 2:57 PM EDT
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"Ten Things I Think/Hope We Will See (cont.)8. More instances of the Tony who solved cases by randomly connecting the dots and thinking outside the box--and the Gibbs who trusted Tony to do that. Also, more instances of "work smarter not harder Tony." 9. More stand-alone episodes. An occasional arc is OK, but I miss the stand-alone cases. 10. A show of increasing responsibility for Tony and McGee--Tony learning more from Gibbs and McGee learning more from Tony. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 2 2011, 4:55 PM EDT
I certainly hope you're both right since SB was turning it into a cheap soap, where the characters were becoming 1D caricatures of themselves.
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4. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 2 2011, 7:46 PM EDT
Let's get back to the original humor that was actually funny and the Gibbs and Tony dynamic!!!!!! Love them as father son.
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5. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 3 2011, 5:24 PM EDT
I doubt if SB was bad for the show. When you see his name at the end of a re-run do you automatically discount it? Too many shows to ignore! I think SB got into NCIS Los Angeles and didn't have time to keep running the original hit. Maybe that's why GG is the new runner, and not because SB was bad at the job. I have heard the cast speak well of all the producers, runners, writers, etc. They know where their paycheck is coming from.Or....there could be a plot to shame SB, because of the Bellisaurio lawsuit? I respect the awesomeness of the show's creators. And the fact that it became #1 and deserved that fame. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 1:28 AM EDT
"I think SB got into NCIS Los Angeles and didn't have time to keep running the original hit.I highly doubt that there is any plot to shame SB because of DB's lawsuit - that sounds too paranoid and far fetched to even consider. JMO. I don't know that anyone is saying that SB was bad for the show - just that some of his ideas were. I don't think it's a coincidence that some characters changed a lot when SB took over full control of NCIS. Or the fact that Tiva was pushed much more than it used to be. When DB was on the show, he was asked about making Tony and Ziva into a couple. He said no because he liked them the way they were - flirty and fun - and that putting them into a real relationship would be a bad idea. While SB seemed determined to have Tiva, I think that GG is going back to more of a "family" feel with NCIS instead of the love relationships. The same thing can be said of the Tony character. When DB was running the show, Tony was a smart, funny, capable agent who deserved to be the SFA of the MCRT and we could all see why. Once SB took over - Tony's character began going downhill into idiocy. Whether this was to promote Ziva and make her look superior or SB just took the humor of Tony too far, I don't know. But the change was definitely there. Not that GG has basically taken over, we are seeing the old Tony again and I like it. I, like the others, are not disrespecting SB in any way - we just don't agree with making NCIS into a soap opera. SB can do that to NCIS: LA We just want NCIS to get back to the "family" feel of the show with the characters being written as they should be instead of the soap opera, Ziva does nothing wrong and the whole world revolves around her, era that we have seen for the past few years. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 2:35 PM EDT
I was thinking about this last night...I never did really see Tiva. Other shows the pairing is obvious, I'm thinking of Bones and the two characters or even as far back as Moonlighting where you wanted two specific characters in a relationship.I never saw that on NCIS, I think because it was never (in the beginning) the main focus of the show. To me the main focus was Gibbs and Tony as father son. That's what hooked me and that's the friendship I always wanted to see develop, and I like the plots around that relationship. Sometimes the friendships can be more of a focus than a relationship. Maybe it's because of the team aspect that I don't see Tiva. Without a Trace started trying to get everyne in a relationship and it went off the air. Criminal Minds is more a friendship thing. I never hated Tiva, I just didn't really see it. I liked them fun and flirty like in Undercovers with maybe a hint of something more. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 6:36 PM EDT
I totally agree. There have been some famous "shippers" as far back as Moonlighting. I remember being a fan because Bruce Willis was so talented and the flirtation in the office was funny and made the show different. Then in the 80's several so-called "soaps" hit their peak because of the "supercouple" trend. GH, Days of Our lives, Santa Barbara, being the best. However, these shows were really well done and emphasized romance and relationships. The actors held together fan bases, fan-fiction (even bigger then than today) and made history. The soaps (in America) went down hill in the nineties because they stopped all that. The nineties showed the downtrends in TV being more sci-fi, straight procedurals, and tons of nerdy supernatural stuff (that amazingly women don't respond to so much). Romance will always be good and NCIS injects more than other shows. Leave it to someone like MW to make Tiva a phenomonem. The ep, "Undercovers" was pretty much all there was to Tiva, then only small hints to keep the fans interested. I don't see why some have to knock Tiva or Ziva the character. It is that old thing if you like a certain actor, you have to put down other actors. Seen it a lot on the internet. Ziva and Tony are great characters. Gibbs and Tony, McGee and Tony, and the whole Team and Tony. Only the bosses are anti-Tony - certainly not Ziva! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 6:41 PM EDT
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I hope GG is not going to promote only plot driven stories. Character-driven is the best way to write NCIS and the whole team is needed."..Or....there could be a plot to shame SB, because of the Bellisaurio lawsuit?" I was KIDDING...! 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 10:43 PM EDT
"I hope GG is not going to promote only plot driven stories. Character-driven is the best way to write NCIS and the whole team is needed.When we say that GG is going back to DB way that does not mean only plot driven stories. Although it was nice to have those plots where you did not know who the bad guy was going to turn out to be - it surprised us and made us interested in the entire case. Much better than some of the cases of late where it is becoming predictable or the case is non-existent and feels thrown together in order to highlight non-existent romantic relationship within the characters. The old shows were more procedural but they also hinted at the relationships between the characters. As ncisnewgirl pointed out - the Tony and Gibbs father/son, close friends, brother - whatever - was the relationship of the show and one of the reasons that many fans started watching NCIS. I know it was for me. But I also loved the other relationships that were shown - Gibbs/Abby, Gibbs/Ducky, Tony/McGee, Tony/Kate, Ducky/Abby etc. I don't think NCIS was ever without relationships - just not the "let's focus on this relationship or that one" thing that has been going on. I would like to see GG combine the years of NCIS and come out with shows where the cases are interesting, the relationship are the "family" relationships from earlier on but with more insight into the characters and these relationships as we have seen. Just no romance between workers or forced relationships that just don't go over that well. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 5 2011, 10:54 PM EDT
"I don't see why some have to knock Tiva or Ziva the character. It is that old thing if you like a certain actor, you have to put down other actors. Seen it a lot on the internet.My dislike of Ziva has nothing to do with the fact that I like Tony. And when I talk about my feelings for Ziva I am in no way talking about Cote. She is a beautiful actress who is just doing her job. I, unlike some, see the difference between disliking or liking Ziva and liking or disliking Cote. Cote may play Ziva but she is not Ziva. People need to make that distinction and understand when others are talking about the characters of a show. Having said that, I used to love the character of Ziva. SB changed all that for me and yes, it was his fault. It was under his direction that Ziva went from being an interesting, flawed, fun character into a character who can do no wrong and if she does, it's okay because she is Ziva. He took her from being a hero who saved Gibbs' life by killing her own brother, which was heartbreaking to watch, into a woman who easily lied to the team and manipulated them into believing things that were not true, then tried to talk her way out of it when confronted by Gibbs instead of just admitting she did it and asking for forgiveness. I would really, really like to go back to the time that I loved Ziva. When she first appeared, I liked her more than I did Kate, actually. But after the fallout of all that happened in season 6, I have a hard time trusting or liking the character. And her so called pep talks to Tony, her giving advice but not taking it herself, her always being the superhero that saves the day just aren't working for me. Neither are the "feel sorry for Ziva" tactics that SB turned to when he realized he had damaged the character. If GG let's Ziva be human, with flaws that are acknowledged, like the other characters, I might actually like her again. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 1:35 AM EDT
I hope you get your old Ziva back, but I have always enjoyed Cote's talent and it is a difficult character to portray and make believable with all that Mossad ninja like training. I think she is supposed to make you believe is she is uptight and unemotional, pretty one-sided actually and I hope Cote's gets to sing again and now that Ziva is a real agent, really become a good team member - lots to develop there. But I don't think you can "change" past episodes - it's all history now. I loved her pep talks to Tony "be a man..." - it brought more angst for MW to portray. To me characters interacting is the heart of the show - not the cases. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 5:58 AM EDT
I think the whole anti-Ziva/Cote came about because under SB NCIS was becoming soap-operish with excessive emphasis on the brilliance of Ziva and Tony being a buffoon, not to mention a lot of unpleasant snarkiness was added to McGee's character. I think all in all, under SB the series became very much a caricature of what it originally was.I for one preferred DB's style and I think GG is in the same line, and probably somewhat more balanced. In this last season the actors seemed far more comfortable with each other than they had in previous seasons, and I think that's because SB had virtually handed everything over to GG. SB is not a bad producer/director/writer - just not the right person to ensure the continuity of NCIS' high standards and team spirits. NCIS is much closer to CM in style but with more humour, and more character insight. S7 of NCIS was ok, but there were more downs than ups, S6 was a pretty poor season all read except for the odd episode, as it had become very anti-Tony, very snarky McGee, superwoman Ziva, even Gibbs wasn't much more than caricature except for the Heartland ep and Bounce. And I think that's because SB didn't catch the real feeling behind NCIS, unlike with NCIS:LA - although not my style, he really has a good hold on what he wants the series to be about, which is considerably more superficial in comparison with NCIS. Looking back the best seasons of NCIS were 2, 3, 4 and 8 - that's just my opinion. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 6:50 PM EDT
I agree with you ww49, I did like the character of Ziva better than Kate at first. Kate was fun but uptight...sb changed all that.Sorgi, I have seen some eps of NCIS LA, and it's like sb is taking everything we want for NCIS and putting it on LA. He has pretty much added a "Tony" and given him Tony's past. He has tried to give the head of the agency a Gibbs like personality and make it all geared toward family relationship. Yeah, I agree that it is superficial, it's a copy of NCIS. Did I make sense? Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
WOW! I didn't think this thread would have raised such an heated discussion... or maybe I did LOLI think that NCIS needs to find a balance between characters and crimes. Recently I re-watched the first two episodes on S1 (terrific!) and I've realized that the recent NCIS is completely another show. On DB's seasons the crime was the centre of the episode, all the characters worked together as a team to solve the case and in the meanwhile they gave us informations about their lives and the various relationships among them, with Tony&Gibbs as the heart of the show. On SB's seasons the crime was just an excuse to talk about the character's lives. They almost never worked together as a real team. ALL OF THEM WERE OOC. I don't have any plot against SB (lol), but I'll never forgive him for ruin our characters. - GIBBS. He was the team leader. The blameless former US Marine Gunnery Sergeant that never allowed disrespct among his agents and that arrested the cuprit, whoever he/she is. He was a father figure for Tony and DiNozzo was a son to him. What SB gave us? A man that walks through the bullpen without noticing what happens among his agents and how Tim and Ziva disrespect their SFA. A man that leaves his MIL go free after she killed an innocent. - TONY. He was a very competent, strong, smart agent and an intelligent, very charming, funny man. He was Gibbs' second in command. A man that never let people insult him or disrespect his orders. What SB gave us? An idiot buffon that can't fight and needs to be rescue by a woman. A man that wears gas mask or Groucho glasses to find a woman. A man that wears a JT costume just to make a crazy woman happy. A man that let Ziva give him stupid and undeserved peptalks about ''learn to respect people and grow up''. A man that is barely able to tun on his pc and I could go on until the end of the world. Cont... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 7:08 PM EDT
"I agree with you ww49, I did like the character of Ziva better than Kate at first. Kate was fun but uptight...sb changed all that.You did indeed. I think NCIS:LA only gets good ratings coz it follows the other NCIS. It's a funny thing but the person who dubs Abby in Spanish also dubs Kensi, and voice dubbing Tony also dubs Callen!! Too much of a coincidence I think. If NCIS:LA were shown on a different night I don't think it would get such good ratings Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 7:48 PM EDT
SB made a lot of changes in S2 to make it more like NCIS and I think that made the ratings go up. And you are right, a different night and the ratings would not be so high.
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18. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 8:28 PM EDT
- McGEE. He was a nice, polite, intelligent and funny computer geek. Always respectful and eager to learn. I know that he grown up, but this doesn't mean that he has to be unbearable. What SB gave us? An annoying, disrespectful guy that thinks he's better than anyone else. A whimpering child that complains if Tony has a new friend, but that scoffs and smirks every time Tony opens his mouth and he wants an apology for I don't know what.- ZIVA. I've always prefered Kate, but I liked Ziva too. She was an eccentric but funny woman. A tough and good Mossad officer/ninja/assassin that made language mistakes and complained about NCIS rules, but that followed orders.What SB gave us? A liar and a traitor that lied about Ari for four years, protected an assassin and kept lying even when Gibbs confronted her.A woman with no self-control that doesn't follow orders, that gives peptalks but never does what she preaches. A wonder woman that saves everybody. A disaster on undercover mission. A woman that never pays for her faults and that they always have to forgive, but for whom we should feel pity. - ABBY. She was an intelligent, crazy, funny woman (and I underline 'woman') and an amazing Goth lab tech. Tony's best friend and a daughter to Gibbs. What SB gave us? A silly little girl that gets upset for nothing, that jumps and dances everywhere and hugs anyone and everything. - DUCKY. He the weird uncle that tells strange too long stories and an amazing ME. What SB gave us? He still is a great ME, but I'll never believe that he didn't say anything to his NCIS family about his mother's death (especially Gibbs, Tony and Abby). Cont... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: Gary Glasberg - New NCIS Showrunner (spoilers allowed)
Jun 6 2011, 8:37 PM EDT
Cont...- PALMER. Jimmy is the character that less changed but pobably just because BD had little screen time. Great his friendship with Tony, but they drop this plot too quickly. They forced relationships that IMO are unbelievable, like Gibbs&Ziva as father&daughter, or Gibbs&McGee as father&son and Tiva (the worst one). You're right ncisnewgirl, I've never seen any possible love affair between Tony and Ziva. Actually I've never such a deep UST that they keep talking about. As MW said, I just see tension between them and after she threatened to kill him and she whished him to die, I think he would completely crazy to just date her once. If Tony fell in love with Jeanne and liked Dana, he can't fall in love with Ziva. They just need to go back to the real drama/crime show with a strong team/family realtionship among the characters, bring a real NCIS consultant back on the set and stop with soap-opera and unbelievable realtionships. All JMHO *smile* 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
